On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

     On 10/29/15, Shelley <[2]shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote:
     > On October 29, 2015 11:17:05 AM Lodewijk andré de la porte
     <[3]l@odewijk.nl>
     > wrote:
     >> I'm sorry, but there's only so much one will do with disregard of
     self.
     >
     > That speaks volumes of your character.
     I read Lodewijk's comment as a generalised statement on the current
     predominant nature of 'Western' (perhaps all) people. As in "how
     things are" not "how I am and how I want the world to be".
     Character attack is sometimes not be in the interests of
     constructive dialogue.
     Inspiration for a 'better' world is a good thing. Resignation over
     the
     current world is a common thing. Finding a point of compassion in
     our
     conversations with each other is something I have failed at too many
     times.

   David C. Rose's "Moral Foundation of Economic Behavior" cites some
   pretty convincing evidence that individualist moralities (perhaps what
   people here are callign "Western") are inherently superior to
   collectivist. Of course, I was already biased in that direction when I
   picked up the book, so I'd be interested to hear what someone who is
   already fairly sympathetic to collectivism thinks.

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net
   2. mailto:shelley@misanthropia.org
   3. mailto:l@odewijk.nl