On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:21 AM, jim bell <[1]jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: Has anyone heard of an idea to use individual WiFi routers to communicate in a mesh net? Yes .. but usually using proprietary routing or 802.11s. (Or, at least differently than it may have been done before.) If you look at a map of WiFi routers ([2]www.wigle.net) in any given area, you will see that the vast majority of routers are physically close to many other routers, certainly close enough to communicate with each other, and ultimately over a long distance. A crowd-sourced communication system, one that wouldn't necessarily go through the Internet backbone. Conceptually related to the Bittorrent system. I just found this: [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct This technology is intended for ‘direct’ peer-to-peer links and is being used for a few applications like phone to TV video streaming. It’s not really a P2P technology in that one device always becomes the equivelent of a normal ‘AP’. It makes it difficult to scale to larger topologies. A better Wi-Fi P2P solution is: [4]http://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-aware It’s new, but hopefully we’ll be seeing rapid incorporation into products. For a change, the specifications are free and worth a browse. The P2P discovery model is intentionally blinded to a degree by the use of truncated hashes of the ‘service names’ (6 octets). P2P data exchanges are possible pre-association (no connection overhead). Paul Jim Bell From that URL: "Wi-Fi Direct, initially called Wi-Fi P2P, is a Wi-Fi standard enabling devices to easily connect with each other without requiring a wireless access point.[1] It is usable for everything from internet browsing to file transfer,[2][3] and to communicate with more than one device simultaneously at typical Wi-Fi speeds.[4] One advantage of Wi-Fi Direct is the ability to connect devices even if they are from different manufacturers. Only one of the Wi-Fi devices needs to be compliant with Wi-Fi Direct to establish a peer-to-peer connection that transfers data directly between them with greatly reduced setup.[citation needed] Wi-Fi Direct negotiates the link with a Wi-Fi Protected Setup system that assigns each device a limited wireless access point. The "pairing" of Wi-Fi Direct devices can be set up to require the proximity of a near field communication, a Bluetooth signal, or a button press on one or all the devices. Wi-Fi Direct may not only replace the need for routers, but may also replace the need of Bluetooth for applications that do not rely on low energy.[5]" References 1. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com 2. http://www.wigle.net/ 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct 4. http://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-aware