That's why I said "their money and...", but you're right, the "and" doesn't need to be there. Just the money. On Sun, Jun 28, 2015, 15:16 Adam Back <[1]adam@cypherspace.org> wrote: It's not the miners that count, rather than economic majority. It's a surprising fact, but here's how it works: lets imagine 75% of the miners decided they'd change the economic rules, in a protocol incompatible way. Result: the miners form a new alt-coin with no users. Bitcoin difficulty adjusts, and carries on as if nothing happened. The hostile miners earn 25 forkcoins which have a market price of 0. They are burning electricity so they either go bankrupt or the give up and rejoin the network. There's a lot to game theory that is subtle. It could do with a FAQ writing on it really. Adam On 28 June 2015 at 23:04, Sean Lynch <[2]seanl@literati.org> wrote: > By the way, "consensus" is a red herring thrown out by those who never want > there to be a fork. There can never be consensus for a fork, because > otherwise it wouldn't be a fork. Claiming there needs to be consensus is > just a way to try to make it look like any fork is somehow unilateral and > undemocratic. But to succeed, any fork by definition needs broad support. In > fact, it's about the most democratic you can get: people put their money and > their mining power on the fork they want. It's those opposing any fork who > are the authoritarians. Obviously, when you consider who's making the death > threats. References 1. mailto:adam@cypherspace.org 2. mailto:seanl@literati.org