Propaganda is on-topic only insofar as it explores cointelpro, persona
   management, etc: not strictly crypto, but subversive and political
   (ab)uses of communications technology.
   And, while we're on the subject, I suspect much of this
   pro-anything-not-West crap is likely to be just that: cointelpro to
   discredit the genuine content and discourage subscription/participation
   by a wider audience. It's pretty effective, I think.

   On 23 June 2015 21:51:19 GMT+01:00, Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:

I certainly think that geopolitics is not in general on topic for this
list.
"Western governments" and "western propaganda" also don't seem to me to
be on topic for this list. This is not a list about propaganda or
governance.
Since this list is unmoderated, I am sharing my discontent in the hopes
of demotivating further threads on this topic.
That said, I guess cpunks was never good, it's meaningless to attempt to
stop the shitstorm, etc., and so on. But now there are 2-3 posters who
continually post random conspiracy crap and have built an echo chamber
that totally drowns out any actual cypherpunking.
Better posters (you know who you are), please stop encouraging this.
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 17:44 -0300, Juan wrote:

     On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:05:20 -0400
     Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:

     What's the cypherpunk link in this?

     That was part of a discussion on the nature of western
     governments and western propaganda.
     Do you think that discussions on the nature of western
     governments are off-topic? Maybe banned?
     Maybe we should instead talk about how terrible the suffering
     of US military murderers is?
     paging Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly@gmail.com>

     On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:41 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

     [1]http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territo
     ral-integrity/ri8092
     Summary at bottom, summarizing shifting position of "west" over
     some time: "So let us recount the western position:
     - It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial integrity
     of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe
     - However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the
     territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be trampled
     at will
     - Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal
     Yugoslavia itself wasn’t worth anything, the territorial integrity
     of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy
     - Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent
     republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was holy,
     the territorial integrity of Serbia was not
     - Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave
     Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia
     - Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo
     Albanians could secede from Serbia
     - Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo Serbs
     could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo
     - Albeit Kosovo could unilaterally secede from Serbia under NATO
     military control, Crimea could not unilaterally secede from Ukraine
     under Russian military control
     May world be spared hunger, plague and western principles.
     "

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References

   1. http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territoral-integrity/ri8092