That's just a slippery slope to accepting the paternalism of the state, man. This thread continues to deliver. trollollolollo ... one can never tell via plain text. ​ I suppose I should have elaborated on the distinction between Child and State. Evidently, confusion exists on ​limits​ the former should govern ​ with​ and how the latter needs governing (and yes, at times by the former). ​Now we're going to get the CPS nuts about their kids being carried away in black vans; but that's not where I'm going. I'm laying the claim that 'developing children' need to have a certain amount of 'oversight and governance' in their lives. I'm happy knowing various governmental and non- are monitoring the milk my son drinks so it doesn't contain large doses of melamine (for instance).​ ​​