Even if technicaly they're so anonymous and afe as they claim to be, they won't be an alternative for skype without accounts and "friend lists" etc. It is just to hard to use for "average user". Imagine when every time when you would like to chat or call someone via skype, instead of make a double click on his position on the list, you would have to let him know you want to speak, agree code and wait till he get to the website... its quite problematic. Zegar On 23 July 2014 06:24, unixninja92 <[1]unixninja92@gmail.com> wrote: Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users. So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me. [1] [2]https://www.gruveo.com/ -- Pozdrawiam, Paweł Zegartowski References 1. mailto:unixninja92@gmail.com 2. https://www.gruveo.com/