well one of the problems is they dont know as much as you do
   we try not to berate the others for their work - yes 'reformists' suck
   but at least they are not sitting on their potato asses
   maybe you can post something on cryptome to wake them up those boingos
   :::::: tweet it at them after you post it so the community can see the
   criticism - maybe it can spark a debate and some knowledge can b had

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   On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:34 PM, John Young <[3]jya@pipeline.com>
   wrote:

     If courageous, Rivest, Shamir and Adelson can be burnt in effigy.
     Their initials once were rightly world famous, and to smear these
     distinguished gentlemen by vulgar opportunistic protest instigated
     by noobs with less than zero comprehension of cryptography
     should be condemned not debated.
     James Bidzos raped the three once, twice, thrice, then hid his
     corporatorizing crime under skirts of EMC. Don't ravage his
     victims.
     Protest, sure, but demonstrate what to protest for effectiveness,
     not idiotic sloganeering of a logo. Hell, long-time duplicitous
     IBM deserves deeper anger than RSA. DES and much more.
     Go big and really bold. Protest the Waasenaar Arrangement,
     the greatest rigging of the dual-use technology market ever, and
     the world's greatest gang of cheaters, bribers, underhanded
     dealers of contraband, most of it lethal, far deadlier than crypto.
     Greenwald blogs there are cryptographers and comsec experts
     reviewing Snowden's material for future releases. Presumably
     the highly ethical reviewers have a clear shot at avoiding release
     of their own names and firms. They will cheat, that's certain.

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