Lets not forget that "avoiding a bullet" was a prime motivator in Snowden's coming out as the leaker. US is just as happy to shoot people it doesn't like as everyone else: the drone program and the mysterious "he's coming right for us" death of one of the Boston bombers in custody are two cases in point. coderman wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Juan Garofalo wrote: ... He's still loyal to the american nazis. That's praiseworthy? he is showing extraordinary discretion and restraint, and an underlying approval for some fundamental american ideals, like guaranteed right to individual privacy, though of course this should extend to the world not just US citizens. let's not forget that Guardian was forced to move this reporting to the USA, because of GCHQ/her majesty's interference. and of course there are plentiful locales where the activities of anyone involved would strongly encourage a less than discrete "summary lack of continued living incident" of some obscure manner. at any rate, this is too long and detailed a conversation for today. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.